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                     Ball & Co - Report 1
serial number     model     Name     Movement descr     Dial Name
601                 936          BSSG                           WCB
603                 936          BSSG
607                 936          BSSG                          WCB
608                  936          BSSG                         WCB
611                  936           BSSG                     
6019                936           BSSG
6105                936           BSSG                        WCB
7103                937                
8619                936           BSSG
8629                936           BSSG                        WCB
8630                936           BSSG
8711                 938                 Ball & Co       ORRS    
8718                 938                 F.F. Bonnet    ORRS  F.F.Bonnet
8729                 938                 C.C. Fried          
8732                 938                 Marcy & CO     ORRS      Marcy & CO
8741                 938                 A.Bach     ORRS      A. BAch
8742                 938                 A. Bach     ORRS      A. BAch
8745                 938                 A.Bach     ORRS      Ball & Co
8774                 938                 Ball & Co     ORRS      Ball & Co
8782                 938                 Ball & Co     ORRS   
9489                 939                 ORRS         
13018              999C                 C.C. Gere     ORRS      Ball & Co      Switch????
13020              999C                 Ball & Co     BRT                
13025              999D                 Ball & co     B of LF     
13028              999D                 Ball & Co     B Of LF     ORRS
13029              999D                 Ball & CO     B of LF     B of LF
13030              999D                 Ball & C0     B Of Lf Std     Ball & Co
13045              999D                 Ball & Co     B Of LF     B of LF
13050              999D                 Ball & Co     B Of LF     B of LF
13053              999D                 Ball & Co     B of LF      
13078               999B                 Davis Bros
13109               999B                 Ball & Co      ORRS         
13134               999B                 Ball & Co      ORRS     
13169               999B                 Lynn & Leedy      Orrs     
13173               999B                 Marcy & Co     
13176               999 B                Borgerdine Br ORRS
13177               999                    mismatch plates and dial  
13200               999B                 Ball & Co     ORRS     
13203               999B                 Ball & Co     ORRS     
13213               999B                 Ball & CO       ORRS
13253               999B                 Ball & Co     ORRS     
13264               999B                 C.C.Fried          
13266               999B                 C.C.Fried          
13271               999B                 Ball & Co     ORRS     
13293               999B                 Ball & Co     ORRS      Ball & Co
13312               999B                 Ball & Co     ORRS                 Ball & Co
13337               999B                 Ball & Co     ORRS     
13347               999B                 Ball & Co     ORRS     
13380               999B                 Marcy & Co          
13388               999B                 Frank Hammond     ORRS      Frank Hammond
14016               999B                  J.R.Read & Co
14030               999B                  B.H. Stiff                     ORRS  B.H. Stiff          
14056               999B                  W.B. Wilcox          
14060               999B                  J.C.Woelfle          
14076               999B                  C.W. Smith          
14100               999B                  Wm. Kendricks & sons     ORRS     
14107               999D                 Ball & Co     B of LE  
14123               999D                 Ball & C0     BLF       Hamilton dial
14127               999C                 Ball & CO    BRT   
14129               999C                 Ball & Co     BRT     
14138               999C                 Ball & Co     BRT     
14175               999B                 Ball & Co     ORRS
14184               999B                 Kruckemeyer & COHN        ORRS     
14194               999B                 Ball & Co     ORRS
14212               999B                 H Joseph        ORRS  
14243               999B                 Ball & CO      ORRS   
14252               999B                 J.C. Woelfe    ORRS
14257               999B                 W.V. Foster          
14259               999B                  Ball & CO        ORRS          
14290               999B                  W.V .Foster          
14304               999B                  Ball & Co     ORRS     
14340               999B                  Ball & Co     ORRS      Ball & Co
14342               999B                  Ball & Co     ORRS
14370               999B                  Ball & CO   ORRS    
14406               999B                  Ball & Co     ORRS     
14420               999B                  Ball & Co     ORRS     
14447               999B                  Erza F. Bowman
14522               999B                  W B Wilcox     ORRS          
14551               999B                  Ball & Co     ORRS     
14575               999B                  C.J. Howley          
14613               999B                  Wm. Kendricks & Sons          
14625               999B                  Ball & Co     ORRS     
14695               999B                  Ball & Co     ORRS      Ball & co
14710               999B                  Wm. Kendricks & Sons          
14724               999B                  Ball & Co     ORRS     
14737               999B                  Ball & Co     ORRS     
14761               999B                  Ball & Co     ORRS     
14767               999B                  Ball & CO        ORRS
14779               999B                  Ball & Co     ORRS      Ball Watch Co
14788               999B                  Ball & CO     ORRS
14791               999B                  Ball & CO        ORRS
14856               999C                  Ball & Co     BRT     ORRS
14868               999C                  Ball & CO        BRT      BRT
14898               999B                  Ball & Co     B of LF     ORRS                        Switch????
14912               999B                  Ball & CO       ORRS
14918               999                     Ball & CO      ORRS     ORRS
14927               999B                  Ball & C0        ORRS            ORRS
14961               999B                  Ball & Co     ORRS     
14964               999B                  Ball & CO        ORRS            ORRS
20508               999E                 BSRRWCO
20518               999E                 BSRRWCO          
20519               999E                 BSRRWCO          
20530               999E                 BSRRWCO     Balls STd     
20539               999E                 BSRRWCO
20577               999E                 BSRRWCO     
20601               999E                 BSRRWCO     Balls Standard     RRWCO
20645               999E                 BSRRWCO
20672               999E                 BSRRWCO          
20682               999E                 BSRRWCO          
20689               999E                 BSRRWCO     
20691               999E                 BSRRWCO
20746               999E                 BSRRWCO
20781               999E                 BSRRWCO
20793               999E                 BSRRWCO
20803               999F                 RRWCO          
20825               999F                 RRWCO          
20826               999F                 RRWCO
20843               999F                 RRWCO          
20852               999F                 RRWCO          
20862               999F                 RRWCO
20894               999F                 RRWCO
20920               999F                 RRWCO
20949               999F                 RRWCO
20950               999F                 RRWCO          
20953               999F                 RRWCO
20969               999F                 RRWCO
20982               999F                 RRWCO
28039               999B                 Ball & Co        ORRS
28046               999B                 Ball & Co       ORRS  
28092               999B                 W.B. Wilcox  ORRS   
28104               999D                 Ball & Co       B of LF Standard     Ball & CO
28108               999D                 Ball & Co       B of LF     B of LF
28110               999D                 Ball & CO        BLT
28139               999B                 Ball & CO      ORRS
28155               999                   Ball & Co       ORRS
28205               999                   Ball & Co        ORRS
28223               999                   Ball & CO       ORRS
28234               999                   Ball & Co        ORRS
28264               999                   Ball & CO       ORRS
28290               999                   Ball & Co        ORRS     
28295               999                   Ball & Co        ORC     
28305               999B                G.W. Dickenson
28307               999B                Ball & C0        ORRS
28382               999                   Ball & Co        ORRS   movement marked 938  dial marked Ball Watch     
28395               999B                G W Dickerson
28398               999B                Ball & Co        ORRS
28413               999D                Ball & Co       BRT
28452               999C                Ball & CO       BLF
28468               999C                Ball & Co       BLF     
28516               999D                Ball & Co        BRT
28517               999D                Ball & Co        BRT     BRT
28525               999D                Ball & Co        BRT     BRT
28543               999D                Ball & CO        BRT    BRT
28557               999C                Ball & CO     BLF     
28558               999C                Ball & Co     B of LF     B of LF
28562               999C                Ball & Co     B of LF     B of LF
28573               999C                Ball & Co     B of LF     B of LF
28602               999A                 Ball & Co     B of LF
28617               999A                 Ball & Co     B of LF
28701               999B                 Wm. Kendricks           
28704               999B                 Ball & Co     B of LE     B of LE
28719               999B                 Wm  Kendricks
28747               999                   Ball & CO        42950 Barrel BR
28748               999                   Ball & CO        BLT
28755               999                   Ball & Co     ORC                ORC
28809               999                   Wm Kendricks
28941               999                   Ball & C0     BRT
28942               999                   Ball & CO    BRT
29000               999                   Ball & Co     B of LE     B of LE
42005               999                   Ball & Co     B of LF     
42018               999                   Ball & Co     B of LE     
42026               999                   Ball & Co     B of LF     B of LF
42031               999                   Ball & Co         B of LF           B of LF
42035               999                   Ball & Co     B of LF STd     BAll & Co
42076               999                   Ball & Co        B of LE           B of LE
42096               999                   Ball & Co     BLF                BLF 21J Brakewheel
42148               999                   Ball & C0     BRT     
42157               999                   Ball & Co     BRT                 BRT
42179               999                   Ball & Co     BRT     
42196               999                   Ball & Co     BRT                 BRT
42228               999                   Ball & CO        ORRS
42240               999                  Wm. Kendricks & Sons
42267               999                  Ball & CO     ORRS          
42287               999                  Ball & Co     ORC
42316               999                  Ball & CO        BRT
42352               999                  Ball & Co        B of RT            B of RT     
42364               999                  Ball & Co     BRT                 BRT
42406               999                  Ball & Co        B of LE            B of LE
42414               999                  Ball & Co     BRT     
42420               999                  Wm. Kendricks & Sons
42458               999                  Ball & CO        B of LE          
42459               999                  Ball & Co     B of LE     B of LE
42497               999                  Ball & Co        ORC
43503               999                  Ball & CO        ORRS            Incomplete
42509               999                  Ball & CO        ORRS
42576               999                  Ball & CO        ORRS
42582               999                  Ball & Co     ORRS
42606               999                  Ball & Co         BRT    
42611               999                  Ball & CO       BLE                B of LE
42613               999                  Ball & CO        B of LF           B of LF
42622               999                  Ball & CO     BRT  SR  21J   BRT
42623               999                  Ball & Co     ORC                 ORC
42662               999                  Ball & Co     B of LE     B of LE
42666               999                  Ball & Co     BRT                 BRT
42690               999                  Ball & CO        B of LE           B of LE
42705               999                  Ball & Co     B of LE     B of LE
42733               999                  Ball & Co     B of LE     B of LE
42876               999                  Ball & Co        ORRS
42880               999                  Ball & Co     ORRS             Ball & Co
42918               999                  Ball & Co        ORC          ORC
73025               999                  Ball & Co     B of LF & E     B of LF & E     SWITCH????  Charles Watkins 80 Pi
90101               999                  Ball & CO        ORRS SR
90155               999                  RRWCO          
90160               999                  RRWCO
90201               999                  Ball & CO        ORRS SR          
90216               999                  ORRS "A"     
90217               999                  ORRS "A"     
90232               999                  Ball & Co     ORRS SR
90242               999                  Ball & CO        ORRS
90258               999                  Ball & CO        ORRS  DS
90346               999                  Ball & CO        ORRS     
90358               999                  Ball & CO        ORRS "A"
90403               999                  BofLE              DS
90458               999                  ORRS "A"
90460               999                  ORRS "A"
90490               999                  Ball & Co     ORRS "A"     
90528               999                  Ball & Co     ORRS     
90537               999                  Ball & Co     ORRS "A"     
90538               999                  Ball & Co     ORRS "A"     
90539               999                  Ball & Co     ORRS "A"
90546               999                  Ball & CO        ORRS SR
90557               999                  Ball & CO        ORRS SR
90566               999                                                       SR
90576               999                  Ball & CO        ORRS SR
90578               999                  Ball & CO        ORRS SR
90617               999                  Ball & CO        ORRS SR DS
90624               999                  Ball & CO        B of LE SR     
90692               999                  Ball & CO        ORRS  SR
90710               999                  Ball & Co     ORRS  SR     
90720               999                  ORRS "A"     
90784               999                  Commercial Std
90787               999                  Commercial Std
90793               999                  Commercial Std
90905               999                  Commercial Std
118024             999                  B of LE     B of LE
118051             999                  B od LE     
118055             999                  B of LF     B of LF
118065             999                  ORC                ORC
118082             999                  BRT                 BRT
118084             999                  BRT                 BRT
118120             999                  B of LE     B of LE
118170             999                  ORRS                 Ball & CO
118261             999                  ORRS                Ball & Co
118277             999                  ORRS     
118356             999                  ORRS
118492             999                  ORRS              Ball & CO
118576             999                  ORRS     
118651             999                  ORRS     
118708             999                  Ball & CO         ORRS
118795             999                  ORRS
118852             999                  Ball & CO         ORC
118621             999                  Ball & CO          21J SUN RAY
118935             999                  Ball Watch Co  suspected mismatch mvmt plate and inc dial
118941             999                  Ball Watch Co  suspected mismatch mvmt plate and inc dial
170197             999                 ORRS  SR
170206             999                 Ball & CO        ORRS SR
170247             999                 Ball & CO        ORRS
170249             999                 ORRS  SR       Ball & CO
170282             999                 Ball & CO        ORRS SR
170354             999                 ORRS
170370             999                 ORRS SR        Ball & Co DS   
170648             999                 Ball &CO BLF replaced barrel bridge!!  
208087             999                 Ball watch co          
208600             999                 Ball & C0     ORC   ????!!!!!!!!!!!


It has always seemed strange to me That 999E and 999F are easily distinguished as RRWCO but that the other letters seem random.


I see an extremely high correlation after reading the Laser list.


999B would appear to be ORRS, either Ball and Co or Private Label. This appears to be true thruoughout the runs.

999C would appear to be brotherhoods, most likely BRT at least thru the 13 and 14K runs.


999D would appear also to be brotherhoods, most likely BLF at least thru the 13 and 14k runs.

The 28 k run is less clear. All the B's are still ORRS, PL's and Ball and Co, but C's and D's seem to be randomly Brotherhoods in this run.

With decades of switching, it is difficult to say anything with absolute certainty, but I have enough confidence in the mathematical probability of this correlation to state that:

I would definitely want to inspect the bottom of the plates for serial number matches before purchasing a watch that did not conform to my expectations.

The A designation has two BLF's reported but I can offer no conclusion on what signifies it being an A.

BTW , Dr Laser lists the 20,801-21000 999F run as 17J. I believe they are 16J.





happy hunting,
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Bill Kapp